tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post4628313013553693798..comments2024-03-29T07:44:22.008-04:00Comments on Night Owl Cards: The rule of thirds and '82 Fleernight owlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11673973790245316059noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-52625058373747096222021-05-25T20:42:29.289-04:002021-05-25T20:42:29.289-04:00LOL this post predated my collecting reintegration...LOL this post predated my collecting reintegration by many many years and that's a damn shame since it's right in my wheelhouse. A lot of comments here are bang on correct in discussing about giving subjects room to move/look/throw into the card instead of out of it.<br /><br />Griffin works. Noles works. The others not so much. Some like Sutcliffe are oriented on the wring vertical. Others like Kingman and Mura have missed the other part of the rule of thirds in that something important (head, center of chest, etc) should be located on the intersection of the lines.<br /><br />And it's worth noting that he rule of thirds is less a rule than a suggestion which is a handy way to think about how the subject fits in the frame and where to place the important information. Strictly following it is boring but it's definitely a handy tool for new photographers to keep in mind.Nick Vossbrinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04162939001181537887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-19518588000320600212011-02-07T23:02:29.160-05:002011-02-07T23:02:29.160-05:00Wow ... I can't believe I missed this post. W...Wow ... I can't believe I missed this post. Where was I a month ago?<br /><br />Great comments. I tend to agree with everyone, particularly about the action needing to move toward the center, not off the card/photo. It's a little like designing a sports page ... which I haven't done for many years. You always want the athletes running INTO the page, not OFF of it.<br /><br />The rule of thirds also works better when the whole thing is interesting to look at and you're just positioning the main subject. (Such as the example in Wikipedia that you linked to ... the horizon was put on the lower third line which made the amazing sky that much more impressive.) With baseball cards, the background is frequently fairly boring if not outright distracting.<br /><br />Sometimes in that situation I'll find a middle ground between the rule of thirds and just plopping the subject dead in the middle. Kind of like if you just moved your crash points all a little closer to center. It turns into more of a "rule of two fifths" or "three sevenths". Those aren't real photography terms. It just helps me to visualize it.<br /><br />Thanks for talking about photography. I think it's what really makes baseball cards appealing, even if people don't consciously realize it.Eggrockethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03543338186244288630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-87089428154842711362011-01-14T17:39:09.808-05:002011-01-14T17:39:09.808-05:00I agree with the rest of the folks that the vertic...I agree with the rest of the folks that the vertical aspect ratio kills the rule of thirds. More importantly, on baseball cards, it feels like content is king. I've seen entire compositions ruined just so the ball from a pitcher's hand would remain in frame... and I've seen bloggers complain about cards with great composition but the ball out of frame. Card manufacturers know their audience, and most people don't really care about a quality image beyond a cursory "nice photography" in their review (I'm guilty of the same). Look at '73 Topps- I LOVE the photography in that set for precisely the reason that everyone else hates it.<br /><br />That being said, the Mura and Sutcliffe cards up there suffer heavily from a lack of lead space. The action is on the edge of the frame which tends to create a claustrophobic feeling in the viewer- they've got nowhere to go!<br /><br />Or at least that's the theory. -AndyCommunity Gumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05296365794796762616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-80969382268877252852011-01-14T11:39:42.452-05:002011-01-14T11:39:42.452-05:00Call me unusual but I like the off-center look of ...Call me unusual but I like the off-center look of these cards - whether intentional or not they look different, and that makes them stand out.Bohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10955725607806692792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-53633293242603859782011-01-14T09:40:14.488-05:002011-01-14T09:40:14.488-05:00Thanks for the knowledgeable comments. They confir...Thanks for the knowledgeable comments. They confirm some of my suspicions and give me a better idea of what the rule of thirds is about.<br /><br />Next post: Better examples of the rule of thirds on cards.night owlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11673973790245316059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-15379529959494707762011-01-14T09:02:29.721-05:002011-01-14T09:02:29.721-05:00Lest that seem too negative about Fleer, I love th...Lest that seem too negative about Fleer, I love the big hair shots!<br /><br />- <a href="http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/117/663/761/ZkF8.jpg" rel="nofollow">Harold Baines</a><br />- <a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rEgPZZmjwg4/Rz6W2SIu4CI/AAAAAAAAAj8/CSs9cA7uUg0/s320/1981fleerholland.jpg" rel="nofollow">Al Holland</a><br />- <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TD098VdRqfo/TQpRaLqBq7I/AAAAAAAAAHc/1MlQStliz2k/s1600/Bonds%252C+Bobby+81+Fleer.jpeg" rel="nofollow">Bobby Bonds</a>Matthew Gliddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00058637926401334906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-33297193760257547002011-01-14T08:58:22.365-05:002011-01-14T08:58:22.365-05:00I think the main problem with 1982 is how Fleer ap...I think the main problem with 1982 is how Fleer approached photography in <i>1981</i>. Much of that first set had better centering, but still suffered from heavy shadows, grainy printing, and odd poses. It's tough to credit the card editors with artistic experimentation when limited time and money's a simpler explanation.Matthew Gliddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00058637926401334906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-25283135168251551322011-01-14T08:29:46.069-05:002011-01-14T08:29:46.069-05:00I am just a photography hobbyist, and I generally ...I am just a photography hobbyist, and I generally agree with what everyone has said so far. These cards don't work for me because, "the rule of thirds" is being overwhelmed by two additional factors:<br /><br />1. The decisions to use up as much of the vertical space as possible with the player.<br /><br />2. The vertical orientation.<br /><br />The combination of the two seems to leave little opportunity for much of interest in the other 2/3rds of the picture, which isn't helped any by the complete lack of anything interesting in the other 2/3rds (empty seats? seriously?). The Sutcliffe card has the best background, but as Ryan observes, he should have been on the opposite side of the card. <br /><br />My strictly amateur opinion is that, for baseball cards, rule of thirds would work best with game action shots in a horizontal orientation.carlsonjokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15556989250983706634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-64616213450306347202011-01-14T08:14:24.946-05:002011-01-14T08:14:24.946-05:00Great Blog, I never heard of this concept but this...Great Blog, I never heard of this concept but this gives me a ay to look at my cards in an entirely different ayJohn Batemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14159036395402962119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-86848893642619669342011-01-14T08:05:57.406-05:002011-01-14T08:05:57.406-05:00My husband sent me to your page because he is a ba...My husband sent me to your page because he is a baseball fan/card collector and I'm sure he wondered what I thought of this (He's always asking me what I think of a certain card - I have no interest in them). I thought I'd weigh in here just as a non-interested party.<br /><br />I am a "serious amateur" photographer (who has also had a large company purchase one of my photographs to use in advertising) and I often use the rule of thirds when composing shots. I agree that the rule of thirds does not work well for baseball cards the way it was used in the 1982 Fleer cards you showed above. Maybe it would work better if composed differently or just saved for baseball posters.<br /><br />However, you should consider how the rule of thirds is applied to other cards: It is used all the time, just not to the "artistic" extreme as it was in those 1982 Fleer.Analeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04947017141687467000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-2063274908092688022011-01-14T07:36:46.028-05:002011-01-14T07:36:46.028-05:00I am a fan of the rule of thirds but never thought...I am a fan of the rule of thirds but never thought of it much for baseball cards. I do know when I put together the Phungo Cards, I try and put things just slightly off center so the action brings you to the center of the card. <br /><br />The Sutcliffe card is easily the worst of the bunch - put him on the other third and have him throwing into the rest of the card.dealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04633750324558738343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-48738332688964199342011-01-14T03:18:13.772-05:002011-01-14T03:18:13.772-05:00I'm not a professional photographer but I am c...I'm not a professional photographer but I am close (at least one billion-dollar company uses at least one of my photos on their website, which I'm quite proud of). I actually use this idea frequently, but I think it works best if you're looking at the background as well, such as a billboard/scoreboard, runner or fielder behind the main subject, etc. I frequently pose a person to the left or right when shooting in front of a beautiful background. But if I'm focused on just the person I'll center the subject. Some of those Fleer cards work. I think the Sutcliffe card would work better if he was on the other side of the card. It may have been a great experiment, but just looking at the cards would show that they didn't really work.Ryan Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12670458381967699663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2700049103080920994.post-30775954353792475122011-01-14T02:54:00.081-05:002011-01-14T02:54:00.081-05:00Yooo stoooopid collectors...zey are artistes...Yooo stoooopid collectors...zey are artistes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com